Nov. 6, 2025
Katie Price & Kerry Katona: Addiction, Cocaine & Media Scrutiny - Accountability, Stigma & Recovery
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Recorded live behind the scenes at Hull City Hall during their tour, Katie and Kerry sit down together for a raw, unfiltered conversation about cocaine use, recovery, motherhood, and the double standards women face in the public eye.
They talk candidly about addiction, ADHD, bipolar diagnosis, self-medication, the role of fame, toxic circles, and how accountability changed everything.
You’ll hear how their friendship became a lifeline, why owning your story beats gossip, and what helped them rebuild after the darkest moments.
In this episode:
- How cocaine became a best friend and how they broke the cycle
- Why disclosures still carry more stigma for women
- Exploitation, tabloid culture, and the pressure to fail in public
- Motherhood, relapse, and choosing different circles
- Practical recovery tools: therapy letters, affirmations, exercise, boundaries
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Kerry Katona
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00:00 - Backstage Setup And Intent
01:05 - Friendship Forged Under Scrutiny
03:00 - Cocaine As Coping, Not Partying
07:10 - ADHD, Diagnosis, And Self‑Medication
09:40 - Psychedelics, Spiritual Work, And Purging Shame
12:45 - Fame, Exposure, And Early Drug Histories
16:40 - Betrayal, Exploitation, And Tabloid Economies
20:05 - Changing Circles And Rebuilding Boundaries
24:40 - Gendered Stigma And Motherhood Judgments
29:40 - Owning The Story And Recovery Turning Points
34:20 - Suicide, Survival, And Choosing Help
39:20 - Quick Fire Closer And Listener CTA
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This is a renewed original recording.
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Hello and welcome to Believe in People, a two-time Radio Academy Award nominated and British podcast award-winning series about all things addiction, recovery, and stigma.
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My name is Matthew Butler, and I'm your host, or as I like to say, your facilitator.
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Today on Believe in People, we're backstage at the Hull City Hall, quite literally.
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Katie Price and Kerry Katona are mid-tour for their evening with Katie Price and Kerry Katona show.
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And the scene behind the cairn is exactly what you'd expect.
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It's loud, unfiltered, a bit chaotic, and completely authentic.
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Somewhere between the mic checks, meet and greets, and a 10-week old puppy named Arlo trying to chew for our recording wires, and we managed to sit down and have one of the most raw and honest conversations that I've recorded yet.
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And my first time podcasting with two guests at once as well.
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Katie Price is a glamour model, best selling off her long-standing media personality.
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Kerry Faturner is a singer, television personality, and former member of Atomic King.
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They've been friends for more than 20 years, and two of the most recognizable women in the UK.
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Their lives are played out across front pages and television screens in a way very few people will ever experience.
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And as a result, their stories provide a real world case study of addiction, public scrutiny, relapse, mental health, motherhood, financial collapse, recovery, and resilience.
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All under the spotlight.
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In this conversation, we're not revisiting headlands, we're looking underneath them.
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We talk about the conditions that enable cocaine use, how fame and constant observation shape their behaviour.
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And how diagnosis, neurodiversity, and ADHD have influenced the way that they've coped, crashed, and ultimately recovered.
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We explore stigma, particularly the unique and often harsh judgment faced by women and mothers in addiction, and how that impacts help seeking, relapse, shame, and disclosure.
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This episode aims to support the understanding, challenge and assumptions about who becomes dependent and why, ensure that change and self-acceptance are possible, even under extreme scrutiny.
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I begin this conversation by asking how living so much of their lives in the public eye through addiction, pressure, scrutiny, and recovery has shaped a bond between them that the only two of them can truly understand.
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What you'll find, which is rare, which we talk about on stage, we've known each other nearly 30 years.
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And apart from our childhood, everything we've done.
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I mean, everything is mirrored.
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Yeah.
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That's it, yeah.
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There's such similarities.
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That's it.
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I think as well, with it because being in this industry, no, it's very few people who understand what you're going through when you have that amount of pressure on you from and that amount of focus on you from the press and from the public who actually understand what you're going through.
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Whereas we completely understand what you're doing.
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So you can bounce off each other as well, Katie.
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Yeah.
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And knowing whether it was the drugs or bankruptcies, how you're we weren't bad people, we were just lost people.
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Yeah, I get the thing.
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I was doing drugs with my mum from the age of 14.
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So I didn't know any different.
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And again, I've never known Katie to do drugs until she got introduced to it much later on in life, which was really shocking.
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I like about five years ago.
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And the thing is with me and Kate, is we've taken accountability for our mistakes and we're trying to learn from them.
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If you don't, I call them lessons, not mistakes.
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If you don't learn from them, then they're a mistake.
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And we were grown-ass women, you know.
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I should have known right from wrong, but when you're surrounded with people who are on the wrong platform that you need them to be, you kind of if you go in a room with six idiots, you'll become the seventh.
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If you go in a room with, you know, six millionaires, you can become the seventh.
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That's the saying.
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So and it's your circle of friends.
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And when you have such immense pressure from the not so much pressure, but they have taken a narrative of something that has gone on in our lives and ran with it without actually knowing the truth or the core reason of why we got to that stage, and then they like to push that a little bit more until they have that headline that you've been found dead, because that's what that's what it's been like, hasn't it?
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But fortunately, there's very few people in the industry where we're strong, we're sat here, we're so lucky we've we've actually got through it, and I wouldn't change any of it.
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People say, What would you change?
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None of it because it won't be who I am today.
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Of course, yeah, I like that.
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What what part did would cocaine have played then at its very worst in your life?
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My best friend.
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Talk talk to me about that then, because that is something that you hear, but it's very rarely explored.
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I mean, for me, a lot of people do coke socially to go out, and for me, I was introduced to it because I don't really drink much anyway, but when I do, it was all or nothing, and it was New Year's Eve, and I was having a party at mine, and I got drunk really quick.
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And it used to sober you up, yeah.
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Yeah, so it sobered me up for midnight, and then I was like, Oh, I didn't really take any notice of the coke after, not like, oh, I want to do it again.
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But then towards the end of our relationship, Coke became my friend because I realised by doing Coke, it wasn't drinking.
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I did, I was like you, dry, dry doing it.
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Never been into drink, really.
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So explain dry drug user to me then.
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So for someone who doesn't know.
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Well, for me, it was like I would take it and it would block my mind into my own little world.
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I'd sit there, I didn't become loud, I was quiet in my own little world like this, and I'd write notes down, like notes down on things I wanted to do, and the problems on my brain, I'd be googling and googling answers and just mad, really.
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But it was the voice of you know, if you can take me, I'll take you to a like a different world, so you don't have to worry about anything else that was going on, to the point that while that was happening, all the problems that I was having got bigger, bigger, bigger.
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You don't start communicating, and on top of it, I was getting depression.
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It it was just disgusting if I'm wondering.
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It's disgusting.
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Can I tell you something?
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You know what my psychiatrist said to me when I got diagnosed with bipolar, and especially people with ADHD.
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Oh, but it's the same.
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He said, if we could prescribe cocaine, if you're right amongst people with bipolar and ADHD, we would.
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I did ask him for a prescription, but he said no.
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But that is that's a true story.
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That's what he said.
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He also said to me as well, and that that goes on to this morning when I did this morning interview.
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No one knew I had bipolar, and he said to me, Let people know you've had a drink problem, let them know you've had a drug uh drug problem.
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I didn't have a drink problem, but he said you can tell people those things.
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Don't let anyone know you've got mental health issues because people don't understand.
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Yeah, that's the thing.
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No one understood the mental health, and it came hand in with it hand in hand.
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And when I got diagnosed with ADHD, on when they asked you questions and stuff, I mean it's not just one questionnaire and like you diagnose, it's quite an intensive sort of thing that you go through, isn't it?
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And he said to me, Have you ever done Coke?
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And I'm like, Well, yeah, and he said, When you take it, what does it do to you?
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And it had reverse, I said it makes me go really quiet in it's like, Why would I do it?
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Because it it's not even me.
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And to people who were quiet when they do coke, it makes them more sociable, loud, and chatty, just done the complete opposite to me.
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For me to say to myself, so why did I even do it?
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It just knocked my personality, but it wasn't about that, it just took me away in the place away from everything that was going on.
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But you know, they're doing studies now of uh MDMA for PTSD as well.
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I mean, I've done ayahuasca, I've also done the microdosing, yeah.
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Um, and the I'm not saying that anyone should ever do this, but I I've I've looked in things relentlessly.
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I've gone down the whole spiritual route, and I don't know, I don't like the ayahuasca was just mental.
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That was I couldn't do that.
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She's told me about it.
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Scares the talk me talk me through that then for someone who don't know what that is.
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What's that?
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Ayahuasca is a medicine from the Amazon, and I had a shaman, and I've been I I do a lot.
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I've read like Thinking Our Rich, Power of Now, Secret.
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I've I've done so much work on myself.
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And then I was reading so many autobiographies, and I love I love Graeme Hancock, Bob Proctor, Lisa Nichols, Les Brown, you know, I'm I'm big into affirmations and meditation and all that kind of stuff.
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And the more people I was listening to, they all started it.
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Unless you're on that route, you start bumping into people who've done ayahuasca and never heard of it before, and then all of a sudden, randomly I'm meeting people.
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I thought, maybe this is something I should do.
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I read Will Smith's book, he did it 14 times, Prince Harry's done it.
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Like very, very successful people and people who've been in recovery, it's really good for people who recover, actually.
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Go down the route of ayahuasca, and it was something I I wanted to do, but my god, having to surrender yourself because not having done drugs in 17 years, this is more of a psychedelic spiritual journey, it's not a recreational thing.
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I mean, I was fucking pissing and shitting unicorns and musical notes and rainbows because you purge, so you're vomiting, but you're on the most intense journey I I've ever ever been on.
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But it that the six months after doing that, I had three emotional breakdowns because I actually went in it to heal from my childhood.
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I've never I never got upset.
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I'm not I never used emotional of my childhood, but then I um started come on in teasing coffee.
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Oh yes, thank you.
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This is our drug, this is our drug tea and coffee and biscuits.
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It's funny because when we do our show, yeah, people wouldn't do meet and greets before, oh I bet you know I'd love to be on a party.
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We've had people turn up with coke in their nose.
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Yes, so people are turning up for the wrong reasons.
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Okay, yeah.
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Because the narrative that had been portrayed about me and Kate, just from a time of period where we were lost, yeah, where we have been lost, they're turning up saying, Oh yeah, Kerry and Kate, oh well, go out, get on it, get off it.
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Do you think being famous made it easier or harder to recognise that you had a problem with coconut?
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No, I'm sorry, but my drug career started well before I was famous.
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I was 14, I was in a fossa home, and I was only last I supervised visits with my mum.
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And I snuck off to the pub to see my mum.
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And my mum was with her girlfriend at the time, and her and a girlfriend went in the toilet and was in there for ages.
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I was only 14, and I went in to see what she was up to.
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So, what's taking so long?
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She had a bag of white powder.
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I said, What's that?
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She went, here she had it sherbet and rubbed it on my gum.
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Oh wow, it was speed.
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I had a fucking great day.
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I did, I thought it was I thought it was brilliant, and and that was it for me.
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And then I used to save my pocket money up from my foster parents and go get a wrap of whisk with my mum.
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I thought it was normal.
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So it was so normalised for me, I didn't know any different.
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So I thought people who didn't do drugs were snobs.
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And then a boyfriend introduced me to Coke, then I started doing it with my mum.
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This is well before I was famous.
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So I never really did drugs in the celebrity shirt circles.
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Mine was always when I went back home to Warrington with a certain with my mum and friends.
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That was so for me, it was it wasn't the the showbiz.
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I never really went to showbiz parties or anything like that, really.
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It was always I was brought up like with you know, people on gyros and you know, we was in refuges and like really rough, rough upbringing.
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That it was that was my normal.
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What about you?
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For me, no, the showbiz, that didn't that wouldn't that's not why I did it.
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I've I was the late at starting it, as I said, and I was probably one of the only ones who never did do it.
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I was really shocked when I found out Kate.
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Yeah, all the parties you name it, I've been to them all, the Playboy Mansion parties, you know, been there, done it, the Oscars, never touched it then.
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It was only towards yeah, like probably yeah, five or six, was it five or six years ago?
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I don't know exactly when he introduced me to it at a time when everything was then already escalated in my brain.
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So I was very late, yeah, basically self-medicating.
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And yeah, but as soon as I got into it, I got out of it as quick as I could.
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For me, I think fame exposed it.
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That's it, yeah, because you're under scrutiny a lot more, aren't you?
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That's what it did for me.
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It it was like the worst kept secret that Kerry was doing drugs, and I I had a breakdown when my first husband left, and I went to Arizona and I was clean for like six weeks, and when I came home, my mum was like, I've ordered one of them.
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Because we used to have a traeries put in the oven to hide from people with a pipe.
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That was our thing, that's what we did.
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It's so weird when you say I've ordered one of them because it puts me back in that time where you sort of get excited that you know it's there.
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It's so weird.
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You used to need a poo, yeah.
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You used to need a journey poo before you scan it.
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It's so weird when you just went, Oh, I've got a packet.
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But you know what else I think about that makes me feel so sick.
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Like my toes are curling.
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My toes are curling, no, it's those fucking birds.
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Oh, the daylight, the daylight, and you're scratching like that in the packet, and then the downer hits you, and you just go and that, oh yeah.
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I mean, I I O D twice on Coke, and when my mum says she ordered one, Mark Croft walks in the door, he was my mum's drug dealer.
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So I married him because I thought I was gonna get a discount.
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I didn't, I lost all my money instead.
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If you don't laugh, you're gonna cry.
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It's the similar thing with me and Kerry again, because no one knew I did it.
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How I was exposed was my ex-boyfriend when my mum was dying, basically, and I couldn't go and see her, and I had all the other bankruptcy things all on my case, and he secretly videoed me crying.
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I was, and he's going, Gone, why aren't you seeing your mum?
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Why don't you tell it?
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It's because you're doing coke.
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Because he's doing it with you, yeah.
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He's doing it with you.
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See, what kind of man does that who so his intentions are completely different?
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My ex-husband did the same, he secretly videoed me taking coke in the bathroom and he sold me to the papers and he put it out on Instagram.
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Oh, okay, so it's it's just trying to make it make a quid off your base.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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That's what mine they they sold mine, I think.
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Taking advantage of when your your weaknesses rather than going with me.
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Look, you clearly need help.
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But because they get men get so attached to the fame and the name that comes along with us that they just start using it, and it it it's almost like they try to manipulate you, beat you, bring you down so that you need them and keep you hooked on this stuff.
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Like, I know Mark Croft got someone to put that camera in because I needed him then and I lost everything.
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But it's best thing you ever did.
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It's hard to put myself in that position where I could see myself doing that to somebody fucked up.
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That's it.
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This is where the fame fucks people up.
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Not us.
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No.
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I've never changed.
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You've seen us, we've come in here, we're just dead normal.
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We've never fucking changed.
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I'm surprised at how normal you are, to be honest.
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I don't know, I don't know what I was expecting, but like I say, just the normality of it.
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I tried, I tried to use money and drugs to please people to show how down to earth I was.
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And for me, it was like being the only way I can describe it is like being in a tribe.
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And every time you try and bet yourself, that tribe, it's a reminder that they're going nowhere.
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So they try and pull you back down to keep you at their level because they know they can't get past, and that and that that's what my problem was.
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I was never addicted to drugs.
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Walking away from drugs was quite easy.
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It was walking away from my circle of my community, and that's when I moved 340 miles away.
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I moved down south.
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All my kids are southerners, I'm back up north now, but I'm a different person, a stronger person, and that that that's what it was for me.
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Giving up cigarettes was really fucking nice, she says.
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And this is the thing, so mine's the same as Kerry's.
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I had to I moved out of the house, got rid of all the people around me who I knew weren't good or helping me or understanding what I was going through, even though they knew I was going through it because they were all doing it as well.
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And anyone out there, you've got to help yourself and you've got to look at your situation.
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And soon as I got rid of the people, moved out, started up new.
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We've realised we don't need any friends, we've got each other, we've got our family, our kids, that's all you need.
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Don't need new people.
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And it was easy for me to get off it because they were the people who were older in it, and unfortunately, as well, and this is this is we talk about this on the tour and on stage.
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Unfortunately, we live in a society where people thrive of watching come off the people fall off their pedal stool, they thrive on gossip and bad news, and that someone who's successful has fallen.
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I I I understand it, I get it.
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I mean, I've picked a magazine up before with me and Kate on the cover, read a two-page spread about Kate, and oh no, she's not.
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Oh my god.
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And I'm pulled in and I start thinking about myself, thinking, my life's not that bad.
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Turn the page in the same magazine, two page spread about myself, and go, that's all the fucking bullshit.
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And I realize that gossip is a stress release, and we all like a bit of a gossip, but unfortunately, when you're the person you're gossiping about constantly, it gets to a point that we self-medicated, we've tried to take our own lives because we're then portrayed as the villains, we're trash, we're slags, we're this, we're bad mothers.
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We were doing wrong things, but we we wasn't a bad, we just really lost and needed help.
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Yeah, but nobody wanted to help because we're too enthrived in the gossip and the downfall of that person, that that's and that's what society is, and that's why we're doing this too.
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It's about training each of us' crown and helping lift each other.
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I think there's a lot of things there, and and I mean I've always heard the saying that people like to see you doing well but not doing better than them, and I think that links to what you're saying about them them social circles, and then with that, yeah.
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I mean, that resonates with me too.
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But I think really, in terms of like having your entire life documented in the way that it is done.
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But that's the thing.
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We have been so happy, and we still love documenting our life.
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That's not the problem.
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The problem isn't us documenting our life.
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We love doing reality shows, we love entertaining, yeah, but it's the people we've surrounded ourselves with and what they've caused to us that's caused the mental health problems.
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And years ago, no one knew what mental health was.
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If they did, you weren't allowed to talk about it, maybe I wouldn't have gone the paths that I did.
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But then you're attracted to the way we want to talk about it to help others to say, look, it's not about how many times you fall, it's about how many times you get back up, and don't be embarrassed by your fall.
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You're a fucking human being at the end of the day, and if we can do it so publicly, I truly believe we have this platform for a reason, and that is to tell our story, hoping it helps somebody because there's no one out there for me for us to look up to and go, I relate to that, I relate to that.
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You know, men are very glorified, but women we're torn down, and especially back in the fucking day.
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