June 27, 2025

68 | Steve Haigh: Royal Marines, Heroin & Salvation - Addiction, Prison & Spiritual Recovery

68 | Steve Haigh: Royal Marines, Heroin & Salvation - Addiction, Prison & Spiritual Recovery
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68 | Steve Haigh: Royal Marines, Heroin & Salvation - Addiction, Prison & Spiritual Recovery

Steve joins Believe in People to reflect on a life reshaped by shattered dreams, addiction, and spiritual awakening. 

Once set on joining the Royal Marines, a sudden medical disqualification derailed his path, sending him into years of heroin use, criminality, and methadone dependency.

What followed was a long drift through the Acid House scene, multiple prison sentences, and deep grief after losing his mother. But at rock bottom, Steve experienced a vivid dream that marked a turning point. That moment sparked a journey of faith and service that continues to guide his recovery today.

Now leading Bible groups and launching a Christian-based 12-step course, Steve speaks with clarity about finding peace, purpose, and the courage to begin again. His story is a powerful reminder that no matter how far we fall, it’s never too late to rebuild and that the road to recovery can become a path to meaning.

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00:00 - Steve's Early Life and Military Aspirations

11:21 - Drifting After Loss of Military Dream

21:43 - Introduction to Heroin and Addiction

31:02 - Crime, Prison and Methadone Treatment

38:10 - The Challenges of Methadone Withdrawal

46:28 - Personal Loss and Depression

50:35 - Leading Recovery and Finding Purpose

51:08 - Spiritual Awakening and Divine Purpose

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This is a Renew Original Recording.

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Hello and welcome to Believe in People, a two-time Radio Academy Award-nominated and British Podcast Award-winning series about all things addiction recovery and stigma.

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My name is Matthew Butler and I'm your host, or, as I like to say, your facilitator.

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In this moving and deeply personal episode.

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I'm joined by Steve, whose journey through addiction, prison, prescription dependency and profound spiritual transformation offers one of the most compelling recovery testimonies we've heard, from a once disciplined young man with aspirations for the Royal Marines to years lost in heroin addiction and repeat incarceration.

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Steve's story is a powerful reminder of how our identity can fracture and be fully reformed.

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After multiple failed attempts at rebuilding his life, it wasn't a treatment centre or a sentence that changed Steve's past, but a vivid dream and a chance encounter with a food bank church leader.

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What followed was an unexpected spiritual awakening that set him on the course to leadership within a faith-based recovery community.

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Now free from methadone, crime and self-doubt, steve leads Bible groups delivering baptisms and is about to launch a 12-step base recovery course grounded in Christian teaching.

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I begin by asking steve about his background, and we delved into his early desires to head into the marines well, I ended up going to south africa as a kid for three years.

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My dad's got a transfer out there when we was younger and it was like a three-year contract.

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So I ended up going to school out there and experiencing the life, which was a bit of an eye-opener because it was all apartheid and everything.

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Yeah a completely different culture over there.

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Uh, then we ended up coming back to uk in 1984.

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I left school at 16 and I had my heart set on going in the military.

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I wanted to be in Royal Marines.

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So I went to see a careers officer when I was at school and he gave me all the info, what he needed to do.

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So I was close to school-leaving age and I started going running, getting myself as fit as what I had to be, because obviously's you know, heavy duty fitness, what you need to get in there.

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So you looked the part something came in and said I'll be fine, maybe not now, but when I was a bit younger maybe.

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yeah, so went to Limston in Devon, did have a, an academical assessment, a medical and then they do you a weekend PT.

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Did you have an academical assessment, a medical and then they do you a weekend PT just to test your basic fitness levels and see how you are and that and everything was all right.

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They said, yeah, come back, excuse me.

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So that was my tunnel vision to do that and what they'd missed on the initial medical.

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I got so far in months in where there's been quite a few that dropped out for whatever reason.

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I think it was down to like maybe 34 35, I was left out of about 150 and I was doing this 30 mile speed marching and there's a part of it where you've got to go through this concrete tunnel and it's all underwater and you've got all your kit on and pull yourself through, ended up getting water in my ear and an ear infection.

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So I went to see the medical officer and he said did you know you had a perforated eardrum?

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I said no, I said what's one of them?

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And he told me.

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He said, basically it's like a knoll in your eardrum and it affects your balance and we can't let you go any further because you've got this.

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So obviously I was like you know.

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I had my eyes set on that.

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But he said you know, what we can do is we can discharge you sort of thing.

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Go get it done, you know operation, and come back and you know if it's healed up properly and that we can have another go, sort of thing.

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But so I ended up going I'm having this surgery done and the graft, what they put on my eardrum, it didn't take.

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So, you know, started pissing it up and lost all my fitness and I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do after that because there was no plan B yeah, I think, when you've got your heart set on something for so long, and that's the only thing you want to do, and that's what you're working towards to have it ripped from underneath you.

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Yeah, so I think from that point on I just started drifting.

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I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do.

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I thought, right, I'll train to do this.

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So I went to college, learned how to be a brickie, worked on a load of building sites.

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Got fed up of that.

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So I started doing semi-skilled joinery work in that building port cabins.

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Got fed up of that, went back to college, got a welding qualification and got fed up with that.

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Went back to college, got a welding qualification and got fed up with that.

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If it's not what you want to do, you're going to get fed up with everything, aren't you?

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Yeah, I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do after that.

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Yeah, and then I ended up getting a real bad chest infection and that turned into pneumonia and I was ill for months, lost a ton of weight and I lost my job because of it when I was welding and I just died going downhill from there.

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Really the acid I was seen in the the 90s.

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I went from being a beer head drinking and that to taking party drugs like you know ecstasy, speed acid, mushrooms, you know all the oestrogenics and that and going to these like raves back in the.

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This was when it was still illegal initially, when I first started, and they'd have these big mass gatherings and a farmer would think a spaceship had landed in his field at four in the morning with all these lasers and lights going on and yeah, do you know?

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the Acid House theme is something that's come up a few times on this podcast.

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Yeah, a lot of people.

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I imagine for people my age it's been a trigger it's an addiction for a lot of people.

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I imagine for people my age it's been a trigger.

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Yeah, addiction for a lot of people so yeah, um, there was one guy, said he during it, similar to what you've just said.

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Then he said he was stood in the field and he said there he was, um, and he, you know, took an x amount of drugs and he said he just thought in that moment life will never get any better than that moment and he said it never did for him.

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Yeah, can you Can?

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you relate to that?

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I can, yeah, so I think it was the culture that came with it there was.

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You know, there was none of this.

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When you go out on a town on the beer and there's people fighting and you know, after they've had a skinful and getting arrested, it was all love and peace and you know.

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Like, you feel like how life should be sort of thing yeah, yeah, ideally it was just, you know, that was the last thing on your mind was wanting to fight anybody.

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It was the same for everybody.

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And I met some amazing people back then, you know, extraordinary people, people of all different kinds, all different backgrounds.

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It seemed to draw people from every different area of life into that sort of you know setting.

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I met doctors, I met people that was turning to be solicitors, homeless people, you know.

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Why do you think it attracted people from all these?

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different places.

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I just think the music it was.

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It was just like the music just changed like from I can't even remember, was it like sort of like hip hop before then?

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Yeah, and it just went in a different direction and everyone got grasped onto it and embraced it and just something completely new, that it's just.

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I always find it interesting as you just said, then your doctor, solicitors how it just attracts people from all these different walks of life.

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You know, I don't think other than, uh, this particular movement you don't often hear about when you talk about other things.

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It's normally like set groups that attract it.

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But for this, for it to attract as many people as it did, it obviously has some a lot of massive cultural impact, I think, especially, as you said, for your age group yeah.

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So got to about 1992 and I decided I wanted to, you know, go and work abroad for a bit.

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So for a couple of years, seasons, I went over to Spain and I worked the doors in the clubs around the Costa del Sol, costa Brava areas.

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Stayed out there for a few months, for a couple of years, just took meaningless jobs.

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And obviously still you know checking drugs are the party description.

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Obviously, still, you know checking drugs like party description.

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And got to about 90, 95, and I was introduced to this mysterious brown powder that I'd heard so much about over the years.

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And you know I saw myself it was the last thing I'd ever touch.

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Obviously we know it's heroin.

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You know I'll show myself it's the last thing I'd ever touch.

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Obviously we know it's heroin.

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And, yeah, the feeling of that the first time it was just out of this world.

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What was the circumstances that brought you to it?

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Because, like a lot of people, they say I'm never going to take heroin, but then end up doing it.

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So I don't really have an excuse, change your mind.

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Yeah, I don't really have an excuse.

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Yeah, I don't really have an excuse.

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Like, I don't come from a background where, you know, I was deprived as a child of anything.

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I had good parents, sad working parents, decent parents, from a decent family.

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I came.

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And.

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I just sort of like drifted to the wrong crowd Out of boredom, out of curiosity, or whatever.

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I just sort of like drifted to the wrong crowd Out of boredom, out of curiosity or whatever.

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I just went down a different path and it was no fault of anybody's but mine.

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And yeah, I think social circumstances is a massive thing, though, isn't it for drug use?

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We often talk about the deprived backgrounds that that people may come from, or childhood traumas, but I think there was a study I was reading not so long ago where it was talking about, like the um, the social interactions that your friends will have will have much more of an impact than that of your parents, and I often think about that because I think I'm a lot more like my friends than I am my parents.

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Some of the friends that I've got are the same friends that I had when I was six, seven years old.

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You know I'm still friends with them to this day, you know, nearly 30 years later and I'm probably more like them than I am my, my mum and dad.

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So I do find that interesting when um people you know go into um opiate addiction and the background is primarily just them social influences as opposed to them parental or home influences as well yeah, well, when this, when my mum got wind of what was happening, she, she was absolutely devastated, heartbroken, angry, everything you can imagine.

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I was a bit of a disappointment to her anyway because, like I was always switched on as a kid and growing up, and even from when I was a baby, she said you could count up to 20 before anybody else.

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Always ahead academically and at school I didn't even try and it just sort of was Just real natural Maths and English, yeah, naturally smart.

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Yeah, naturally.

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You know RQ, I just wasted it.

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She said you wasted it and she was right.

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I think parents will always get even more mad as well, because I think there's part of them that will blame themselves for yeah, I can see why She'll probably be thinking what has she done wrong?

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That's the instant, not necessarily looking at the social factors.

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And she didn't do anything wrong, exactly.

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But I don't think they think about that.

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They just think where did I go wrong?

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Not in a selfish way, but it does seem to be made to be about them as opposed to the individual that's struggling.

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Yeah, they say about there's an addiction gene.

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I'm not sure how much truth there is behind it, but my dad, he was a drinker and he liked to drink.

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He wasn't an alcoholic as such.

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He worked hard all week and he'd have a beer on a night and he'd go to club on a weekend take the dog with him.

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But he drank every day pretty much.

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But not too excessive amounts.

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I never saw him drunk, ever, me dad.

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I suppose that was cultural as well, though.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You don't really I.

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I mean, even in this office where we are in Beverly Road.

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Next door used to be a working men's club, yeah social access.

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Yeah, exactly but you couldn't go more than bloody two blocks before you got to a working men's club of some sort at one point and like, say, pubs have closed down working men's clubs, you just don't get them anymore.

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But for your dad that probably would have been the case, wouldn't it?

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Yeah, it's just a cultural thing.

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Finish work go and have a pint, I think for him he saw it.

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As you know, he was entitled to have a beer if he's been at work all week, If he's providing for the family, if he's paying the bills then yeah, but I think it's understandable when you talk about this tunnel vision that you had in working to the goal that you're working on, to have that taken away, I think you do just lose yourself.

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It's almost like you're trying to.

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To me, it sounds like you're almost trying to find your identity in other places.

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Yeah, and I always felt like, no matter what I did, there was something missing something.

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I wasn't satisfied with what I was doing.

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No matter what I did, there was something missing something.

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I wasn't satisfied with what I was doing.

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No matter what I was doing, and I think it maybe stems back from you know, I only had one goal and that was to get in the Marines, and when that failed, there was no plan B, so I've just been drifting.

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I was just drifting for years and years and years and I didn't even realise it at the time and I probably didn't care anyway for years and years and years and I didn't even realise it at the time and I probably didn't care.

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Anyway, can you talk me through what you said about the feeling a little bit then about taking heroin for the first time.

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What was that feeling?

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What was it like the first time that you took heroin?

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It's so hard to put into words.

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It's just like you feel euphoric, your body feels light, your head feels light.

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Just any care in the world.

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There's no care in the world.

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Complete detachment sort of thing, yeah and it's not like where you're off your head and you don't know what you're doing.

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It's just a warm glow sort of feeling, what you've got going throughout your body did you still feel like you was in control of yourself as well, or yeah?

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yeah, yeah yeah, interesting yeah, um, and it's that nice that you want to do it again.

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Obviously, and before you know it, you know you've got a problem on your hands.

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Yeah, so rightly so as well.

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When my friends found out all my pals and that what I was doing they didn't want to know, hmm, a lot of them was upset, a lot of them was disappointed.

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So I decided to get out of Beverley and I moved to Wool.

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Hmm.

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I came to Wool got away from it.

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I thought, you know, my mum was was absolutely devastated, so the last thing I wanted was for it to be in her face what I was doing yeah so I just left, left, went to, went to come and live in a hole.

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Erm, yeah, and naturally things just progressed from bad to worse then erm how, assumed you know obviously with with you say you took it once, it was so nice you took it again.

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How soon does it become, or do you notice it becoming a problem in heroin use, not just in terms of the expenditure but almost physically dependent?

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on it as well.

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The physical dependence if you're new to it and you've never had it before, I would say if you're taking it every day, you're probably looking about a month and being dose dependent as well.

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Back then I think it was about it was £30 for half a gram, if I remember right, but the stuff was it was more potent than what it is nowadays.

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Yeah, yeah now I don't think you can do the often, so it's not even really heavy when that's in it, it's just shite.

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Do you know?

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I wouldn't even know what they're putting into their stuff.

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Now it's been that long ago since I've ever had out to do with it, which I'll come to in a bit.

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Yeah, I can imagine you hear all the horror stories from America about what they're cutting it with and the deaths, the fentanyl, yeah, the scenes.

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Yeah, I think it's interesting.

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You said it kind of takes.

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You know, if you're takes a month, because everyone the misconception I'm saying a month, I'm saying thereabouts it's.

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Yeah, you know, it probably differs for different people but.

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But I think some people think that you'll take it once and you'll be addicted.

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You take it two or three times, you'll be addicted.

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Yeah, that's interesting um, yeah, I think it was about a month for me when it became a problem.

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Then obviously you know where's the money coming from to fund it.

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So everybody that I was like surrounding myself with in Hull at the time when I'd come to Hull was like into some sort of crime.

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There was people baggling, which was something I was never prepared to do Not casting judgment on anybody but for me that was a no Doing anything like robberies or you know, I don't have known how to go about it.

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Anyway, I'm not being committed.

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The only thing I'd ever been in trouble for in my life was fighting.

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And when I was in, when we lived in beville, when I lived in beverly, we used to go out.

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On a weekend there was a like an army barracks two miles up the road at leckanfield where all the squadders used to come to train for their HGV licence, which come from all different regiments and military, and that's where they come to get qualified to drive every goods.

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And in a weekend they'd spill over into Beverley Town to come and get leathered on the lash and it'd kick off every way because they'd end up groping our women and or doing or wanting to fight us, or every weekend.

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We'd run them out of town.

00:18:12.269 --> 00:18:24.260
Yeah, police wouldn't even get involved, they'd just end up picking all the bodies up off the floor and throw them into the back of the van and obviously military police dealt with them a lot and whatever happened to them I don't know.

00:18:24.280 --> 00:18:25.286
I can't imagine it was nice.

00:18:28.282 --> 00:18:29.287
Was that ever an option for you?

00:18:29.287 --> 00:18:41.730
Just going back to obviously being so focused on the Marines but the Army, the Navy, anything like that it got to the point where it just seemed like a distant memory from what I was indulging myself in then.

00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:48.213
And obviously fitness was not even a thing anymore.

00:18:48.213 --> 00:18:49.965
You have to be so physically fit.

00:18:49.965 --> 00:18:55.491
It's not just like your basic army or navy.

00:18:55.491 --> 00:19:02.712
The standards of the set are higher than your basic level of like.

00:19:02.712 --> 00:19:06.319
You say you want to be in the infantry or for the army or whatever.

00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:07.766
I can't even.

00:19:07.766 --> 00:19:11.428
I can't even remember now what you had to cover a mile and a half, I think it was.

00:19:11.428 --> 00:19:15.351
Was it 11 minutes for the army back then?

00:19:15.351 --> 00:19:18.126
I can't even remember now it's been that long.

00:19:18.721 --> 00:19:26.711
We have to do it in quite a short, but anyway you have to it cuts it down further when you you go for, like, special Special forces and all that stuff.

00:19:27.143 --> 00:19:31.420
So, going back to obviously being taken Heavy when you moved to Hull, it starts to become a problem.

00:19:31.420 --> 00:19:34.619
Not willing to obviously commit burglary.

00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:36.949
What was you doing then to fund this habit?

00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:43.227
The answer to me was to shortlift, because I saw it as the the least of all the evils.

00:19:43.227 --> 00:19:47.486
Yeah, and the only people that was getting targeted was the people that could afford it.

00:19:47.486 --> 00:19:52.483
Yeah, you know, like the big businesses and that Got the insurance.

00:19:52.523 --> 00:19:54.344
Anything goes missing, it's just covered in that anyway.

00:19:54.364 --> 00:19:58.930
Yeah, there's no fault, obviously, that it gets passed on to the people that are shopping.

00:19:58.930 --> 00:20:03.365
You know your customers that didn't register at the time.

00:20:03.365 --> 00:20:04.227
It was just like.

00:20:04.227 --> 00:20:09.224
This is the lesser of all the evils, which I'm not saying.

00:20:09.224 --> 00:20:19.646
That meant me better than anybody else but it's just that you know I was brought up with some standards of morals and decency because I come from a good family.

00:20:21.785 --> 00:20:23.890
Trying to hold on to something of your old self.

00:20:24.030 --> 00:20:24.471
I get that.

00:20:24.471 --> 00:20:30.547
So that's what I ended up doing, and naturally, you know, you end up getting caught.

00:20:30.547 --> 00:20:34.509
Yeah, so I was in trouble with the coppers a lot.

00:20:34.509 --> 00:20:39.468
Subsequently, you know, I ended up in prison.

00:20:39.468 --> 00:20:41.386
Then we were doing a few prison sentences.

00:20:41.386 --> 00:21:01.405
The last one was 2000, and I think I got out of Lindholm in 2004, the last time I was in and then it got to the stage where I just had enough Mm-hmm, I just stopped doing it.

00:21:02.201 --> 00:21:06.086
Was there a particular moment that made you think right, I'm just not fucking done with this now?

00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:15.731
I just got sick of the lifestyle and everything that went with it, never having anything, you know, in and out of prison.

00:21:15.731 --> 00:21:20.907
Yeah, I just got fed up of it.

00:21:20.907 --> 00:21:25.589
It just wasn't fun, so I just turned my back on it.

00:21:25.589 --> 00:21:35.526
I went on a script and turned my back on it, but even then, still, what am I going to do with my life?

00:21:35.526 --> 00:21:36.429
I was still drifting.

00:21:36.429 --> 00:21:51.269
I ended up in a relationship with this lass for 12 years and you know, she was nice, she was decent, but she was also an ex-drug user and still using some substances, whereas I wasn't.

00:21:51.269 --> 00:21:52.853
I was just on my scripts and that was it.

00:21:53.201 --> 00:22:08.707
Um yeah, how did you find moving to the prescription like, uh, obviously with methadone it being an opiate substitute, uh, replacement medication, um, was the relief in that.

00:22:08.707 --> 00:22:12.525
And like, not having to chase, constantly chasing heroin to avoid withdrawal.

00:22:12.525 --> 00:22:20.238
Like, how was that transition moving into a methadone prescription, because some people argue that methadone is you just replacing one addiction with another?

00:22:20.238 --> 00:22:23.826
Like, what would your answer to be towards a statement like that?

00:22:24.689 --> 00:22:27.282
yes, you are swapping one thing for another.

00:22:27.282 --> 00:22:47.905
However, it's keeping you stable and, with it being long acting, you only need to take one, one dose per day and that's going to hold you, whereas when you're doing the other it doesn't you know, you get maybe six to eight hours and then you, you know, and you're not.

00:22:47.905 --> 00:22:53.701
You're not committing any crime, you're not, you know, making a nuisance of yourself to anybody.

00:22:53.701 --> 00:23:01.634
You can sort of like plan on getting some sort of a life back together again.

00:23:01.815 --> 00:23:04.804
Would you say it provides like a stability, then yeah, yeah, having methadone yeah.

00:23:05.444 --> 00:23:07.728
It does, but it's if you want to come off it.

00:23:07.728 --> 00:23:09.611
Eventually it surrenders it's.

00:23:09.611 --> 00:23:11.814
You know it's a lot worse than what the gear is.

00:23:12.994 --> 00:23:13.234
How?

00:23:13.234 --> 00:23:14.155
What was the highest?

00:23:14.155 --> 00:23:16.786
When you was on a methadone prescription, what was the highest dose you was on?

00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:25.171
I think at one point I was on 100.

00:23:25.211 --> 00:23:26.272
Yeah, triple figures are quite high.

00:23:26.272 --> 00:23:29.548
And how long was you on a methadone prescription for?

00:23:36.520 --> 00:23:42.224
Up until that particular time.

00:23:42.224 --> 00:23:44.529
It was up until about 2011,.

00:23:44.529 --> 00:23:45.412
2012,.

00:23:45.412 --> 00:23:45.972
I think, yeah.

00:23:46.882 --> 00:23:49.883
It's not a quick fix, is it that some people think, do you know?

00:23:49.883 --> 00:23:54.606
Some people think you can only be on it for a matter of months, or a couple of years, even.

00:23:55.059 --> 00:24:01.294
Yeah, that was with reducing on a you know X amount of time basis.

00:24:01.294 --> 00:24:02.663
I can't remember now how.

00:24:02.663 --> 00:24:03.526
I was dropping it.

00:24:03.526 --> 00:24:05.412
I think it got to one point.

00:24:05.412 --> 00:24:07.798
I was dropping it faster than what there was on my scripts.

00:24:07.798 --> 00:24:10.685
You know, I was trying to stay like 5, 10 mil in front of them.

00:24:10.685 --> 00:24:13.489
Yeah, just as like a security thing.

00:24:13.489 --> 00:24:21.299
And I think it was 2013, 2014.

00:24:21.299 --> 00:24:26.988
No, it was 2012.

00:24:26.988 --> 00:24:31.994
It was 2012 when I came off it, because I got down to 20 mil and I just chucked it.

00:24:32.414 --> 00:24:32.736
Oh, okay.

00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:34.125
Chucked it, come off it.

00:24:34.125 --> 00:24:38.964
But at the time I had issues with going on my stomach and everything.

00:24:38.964 --> 00:24:47.201
So they had me on a load of painkillers for that yeah, tablets, but I was.

00:24:47.201 --> 00:24:49.108
You know it wasn't a pleasant experience coming off it.

00:24:49.883 --> 00:24:55.267
Talk me through the experience of coming off methadone, because I think some people come all the way down to 1ml.

00:24:55.267 --> 00:25:08.796
Obviously I've not been on a methadone programme myself, but some people say that you leave more than 1ml in the valve, when if you're only 30ml and you have it, it's almost like it's a placebo after um once you get down to solo.

00:25:08.876 --> 00:25:13.007
Yes, I know I would say um, yes, a lot of it.

00:25:13.007 --> 00:25:26.262
There is a psychological aspect to it, but the fact because methadone what it's designed to do, it gets into your fat and it hangs around for a long period of time because it's a long-acting substance.

00:25:26.303 --> 00:25:28.372
So it takes your body a long time to expel it.

00:25:28.372 --> 00:25:35.769
Okay, I'm not sure how many half lives it's got, but might be the.

00:25:35.769 --> 00:25:41.163
I think the half life might be something like maybe 200 hours or no.

00:25:41.163 --> 00:25:42.567
No, sorry, what am I talking about?

00:25:42.567 --> 00:25:51.127
It's designed to last 24 hours before you take your next dose, but I think the half-life of it is maybe 46 hours.

00:25:51.127 --> 00:25:58.748
48 hours, sorry, but then you've got to do so many half-lives until it's totally out of your system.

00:25:58.748 --> 00:26:12.348
And yeah, because your brain releases chemicals when you sorry, when you're taking opiates, your brain stops producing certain chemicals.

00:26:12.348 --> 00:26:12.670
Mm.

00:26:13.181 --> 00:26:21.884
And when you cut them out you get like noradrenaline and things like that that come released in abundance, which is like your fight or flight.

00:26:21.884 --> 00:26:22.386
Yeah.

00:26:22.386 --> 00:26:24.684
Stimulators in your brain.

00:26:24.684 --> 00:26:29.079
Mm in abundance, which is like your fight or flight stimulators in your brain.

00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:34.308
So the sweats the shakes diarrhea, vomiting, you know.

00:26:35.901 --> 00:26:36.509
Similar to.

00:26:36.509 --> 00:26:40.943
Would you say it's the same as the European withdrawal from heroin, or would you say that it's worse?

00:26:40.943 --> 00:26:42.048
Is it better?

00:26:42.048 --> 00:26:42.722
So what?

00:26:42.722 --> 00:26:42.942
I?

00:26:42.962 --> 00:26:46.086
would say is so it seems, the heroin one.

00:26:46.086 --> 00:26:47.530
It seems to be shorter, so that it's worse.

00:26:47.530 --> 00:26:47.913
Is it better?

00:26:47.972 --> 00:27:12.468
So what I would say is so it seemed the heroin one it seems to be shorter, shorter acting and a bit more intense, because you can get to like two or three days of that and you're starting the worst of it's over after three days, whereas with methadone you're looking at maybe six weeks of hell and then maybe up to three months before you're getting any sort of normal sleep again.

00:27:12.468 --> 00:27:14.085
So you've got the.

00:27:14.085 --> 00:27:18.204
It's like you're sort of like double suffering because there's no sleep in between.

00:27:18.204 --> 00:27:21.647
You're feeling rubbish, you can't just put your head down and go to sleep.

00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.906
Yeah, like when you're feeling a bit unwell and you go, I'll just go get me a downer.

00:27:24.906 --> 00:27:27.751
If you always you can't do that, that's interesting.

00:27:27.952 --> 00:27:32.339
Which is that is the worst part of it for a lot of people is the fact that you just can't get any sleep for so long.

00:27:32.861 --> 00:27:36.342
So obviously, finishing at 20 mil, you wouldn't have moved on to anything like that.

00:27:36.342 --> 00:27:38.664
I was all bent on doing it all on my own, yeah.

00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:48.346
So it wasn't really the right way to go about it.

00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:50.604
You did it in the end.

00:27:50.604 --> 00:27:54.028
So I suppose Is there a right way or a wrong way if it's worked for yourself.

00:27:57.661 --> 00:28:02.386
It worked for me then and I ended up having to go back on it because I didn't do it properly.

00:28:02.768 --> 00:28:03.991
Ah, getting out, yeah, yeah.

00:28:07.289 --> 00:28:14.050
So yes and no I didn't have anything like structured in my life, to sort of like replace it.

00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:17.019
You know you've got.

00:28:17.019 --> 00:28:27.287
You've got to stay focused and focus your mind on something, otherwise you'll end up with too much time on your hands, be bored and you'll end up back to square one again.

00:28:27.287 --> 00:28:29.936
A lot of people do that's it.

00:28:29.957 --> 00:28:37.442
It's interesting you should say that because often, when um, we're working with people and there is a lapse or a relapse and it's like, oh, what happened?

00:28:37.962 --> 00:29:03.622
it's like I got bored and it's like it's incredible how much I have to emphasize that um idea of community reintegration support groups, finding a hobby once you come off a methadone program, because I've seen more people lapse, subsequently relapse from boredom than I have things like oh, I experienced a bereavement and it was a massive trigger or something like that.

00:29:03.622 --> 00:29:07.108
Boredom seems to be like the the big thing really for for a lot of people.

00:29:07.108 --> 00:29:09.614
Um, going into that.

00:29:09.614 --> 00:29:13.247
So, yeah, I can understand how that, how that can happen, not having anything there.

00:29:13.247 --> 00:29:22.468
Yeah, when did you, what year would you say that you felt like you would, uh, achieved recovery then?

00:29:22.468 --> 00:29:25.751
And you know it's like this is the time now.

00:29:28.154 --> 00:29:28.536
What year?

00:29:28.536 --> 00:29:40.844
So I think it got to like about 2016, when I knew I was done with that life permanently.

00:29:40.844 --> 00:29:48.213
Yeah, the last I was with for 12 years.

00:29:48.213 --> 00:29:57.432
We ended up splitting up and I met somebody else and she wanted to get married, which I was stupidly I went along with and I knew it was the wrong thing to do.

00:29:57.432 --> 00:30:03.490
But it was just sort of like, if you don't do it now, you never will, sort of thing.

00:30:03.490 --> 00:30:13.016
Yeah, and sort of like, if you don't do it now you never will, sort of thing.

00:30:13.037 --> 00:30:19.932
Yeah, and because there's people who'll know who she is, who might potentially listen to this I won't name names and I won't give the reasons as to why I left.

00:30:19.932 --> 00:30:22.986
But yeah, it was just all wrong for me.

00:30:22.986 --> 00:30:24.269
But, yeah, it was just all wrong for me.

00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:32.663
And yeah, I think as soon as we got married, then within six months, I'd moved out.

00:30:32.663 --> 00:30:36.708
Yeah, because I just, I just it was not for me, she wasn't for me.

00:30:37.221 --> 00:30:43.723
I knew I'd made a mistake yeah, but that didn't cause like a lapse or a relapse or anything.

00:30:43.723 --> 00:30:43.904
No, no, no.

00:30:43.924 --> 00:30:45.897
So at the time as well, my mum, but that didn't cause a collapse or a relapse or anything.

00:30:45.897 --> 00:30:46.140
No, no, no.

00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.246
So at the time as well, my mum.

00:30:49.246 --> 00:30:53.742
This was the final straw of it for me, my mum.

00:30:53.742 --> 00:30:55.769
She was poorly.

00:30:55.769 --> 00:31:19.180
This was 2019 now and they didn't know what was wrong with her, and eventually it come down to that she had lymphoma and she went from being undiagnosed in November 2018 to passing away in January 2019.

00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:22.150
So there was only not even three months.

00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:25.346
It was so quick so fast.

00:31:26.361 --> 00:31:27.787
When I look back now, I just can't think.

00:31:27.787 --> 00:31:33.272
I can't believe how quickly she went from looking all right to just yeah.

00:31:33.272 --> 00:31:50.092
She was in Castle Hill and there was a lot of stuff that I hadn't ironed out with my mum, you know from being young, and that ironed out with my mum you know from being young, and that, and I felt like there was still things I had to say to her.

00:31:50.092 --> 00:31:53.036
You know, to sort of like put the past in the past.

00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:05.821
So that bothered me massively At the time as well.

00:32:05.821 --> 00:32:14.394
I'd just met this other lass and she lived out of the area, cambridgeshire, just as my mum passed away and I was working at this time as well.

00:32:14.394 --> 00:32:28.834
I was looking after P&O Ferries and King George Dock on a night security and I'd been doing that for about six months when my mum died and I was doing stupid.

00:32:28.834 --> 00:32:29.903
I was really stupid.

00:32:29.903 --> 00:32:42.741
I was going from days to nights, nights to days, constantly and no, I didn't like have a body clock set for sleep and because it was just all over the place, so that was like having an effect as well.

00:32:42.741 --> 00:32:49.795
I was doing like 72 hours a week, some weeks days and nights mixed in.

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.990
And so she says you're not happy, why don't you just come and live down here with us?

00:32:54.990 --> 00:33:00.230
So in the end I thought, yeah, what is there for me around here?

00:33:00.230 --> 00:33:00.951
A new start.

00:33:00.951 --> 00:33:18.364
So I decided to do that when I lived in Cambridgeshire and I ended up getting this job as operations supervisor for a security company and then COVID it and everyone was locked down.

00:33:18.364 --> 00:33:32.521
So and the director of our company and, like the ops manager and the sales manager, was all working from home.

00:33:32.630 --> 00:33:51.856
So it was left to me and the other two supervisors to basically run the company while they're at home sort of thing, and I was doing 12-hour shifts so I'd do like three days, three nights, three off, rotating like that constantly.

00:33:51.856 --> 00:34:07.637
But then there was constantly pulling more of us in to cover sick days for people because they didn't have the recruitment to look at the mobile patrol officers that was doing all the night shifts and if one of them dropped out we had to pick it up to cover the route.

00:34:07.637 --> 00:34:11.157
So I was doing stupid.

00:34:11.157 --> 00:34:16.201
I was there as well and in the end it split me in air because of my work.

00:34:16.201 --> 00:34:16.822
Yeah.

00:34:18.251 --> 00:34:25.005
So I came back to Hull in 2021, back in 2021.

00:34:25.005 --> 00:34:32.338
I'd just been to Cyprus on my own for a week just to try and get my head together and decide what I was going to do.

00:34:32.338 --> 00:34:36.998
And while I was out there I thought you know, I'm just going to come back to Wool.

00:34:36.998 --> 00:34:45.836
I'd looked into properties and stuff down there to get housed and there was just nothing and I didn't really want to be down there anyway.

00:34:45.836 --> 00:34:52.237
I only went down there in the first place because, you know, I thought it would be a new start and she wanted me to go.

00:34:52.237 --> 00:34:53.795
So expensive.

00:34:53.856 --> 00:34:57.936
It's fucking as well down there and somebody else in place is ridiculous in comparison so where were you?

00:34:57.996 --> 00:34:58.657
it can be.

00:34:58.657 --> 00:35:06.217
Yeah, erm was just outside, about 20 miles outside of Peterborough and about 10 outside of Kings Lynn.

00:35:06.217 --> 00:35:19.112
Yeah, she had a lovely house, detached house, what she paid for it was a nice, it was a lovely house, lovely area.

00:35:19.112 --> 00:35:21.880
A lot of you know beautiful part of the country.

00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:26.201
So religion obviously plays a big part into your journey.

00:35:26.201 --> 00:35:30.552
So religion obviously plays a big part into your journey.

00:35:30.552 --> 00:35:43.432
I think people who go down the na route, the a route, the, the 12 steps, basically, is very much intertwined with addiction of um, I suppose the first step of admitting your powerlessness, you know, handing yourself over to a higher power.

00:35:43.432 --> 00:35:46.679
Did you follow um so throughout this?

00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.481
You know the relapse and the journey that you was um going on with recovery.

00:35:51.481 --> 00:35:54.670
Did the fellowship and the 12 steps play a part in?

00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:55.210
your journey.

00:35:55.552 --> 00:36:01.510
That's interesting, that as I thought, with your link to uh religion, that that would have been.

00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:05.400
That would have been where it comes, I'll come to that I'm keen, I'll.

00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.777
I'll let you go, I'll let you go at your own pace.

00:36:08.891 --> 00:36:10.615
I'm interested to find out how you got there.

00:36:10.615 --> 00:36:12.061
Yeah, I'm coming to that, that's all right.

00:36:12.431 --> 00:36:13.215
You go ahead then.

00:36:13.215 --> 00:36:28.490
So I came back to Hull and I had to go and shared accommodation for a bit because I couldn't get anywhere off the bat to live and it was an absolute nightmare, absolute nightmare to live.

00:36:28.490 --> 00:36:30.976
And it was an absolute nightmare, absolute nightmare when I was with this girl well, it's just split up with um.

00:36:30.976 --> 00:36:36.208
She had a couple of kids and her previous partner, their dad.

00:36:36.208 --> 00:36:38.476
He died suddenly, you know when.

00:36:38.476 --> 00:36:46.900
Was both really young, sorry, one of them was really young, the other one was a little bit older, I think when I got there one was five and one was 11.

00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:48.675
The girl was 11.

00:36:48.675 --> 00:36:57.217
The boy was only really young and me and him just hit it off the youngest one, like from day one it was like he wanted to be my best mate from day one.

00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:01.431
He was a lovely little lad and it tore me apart, leaving him behind.

00:37:01.431 --> 00:37:05.853
So it was like I'd lost my own lad after three years with him.

00:37:05.853 --> 00:37:08.936
You know, taking him fishing, doing all sorts.

00:37:08.936 --> 00:37:09.356
Yeah.

00:37:09.577 --> 00:37:15.340
It hit me hard and I got back to home and I just thought what am I doing?

00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:22.804
I'm 50 years old, 51 years old, and what am I doing with my life?

00:37:22.804 --> 00:37:27.347
I've just drifted one thing to another, one thing to another.

00:37:27.347 --> 00:37:39.449
I got really depressed, really depressed, and lost a ton of weight I'd pretty much given up yeah, pretty much given up.

00:37:40.936 --> 00:37:42.425
And I was trying to get a flat.

00:37:42.425 --> 00:37:50.153
I didn't want to go private, I wanted to get something you know away from the shared housing, housing association or council and that.

00:37:50.153 --> 00:37:51.556
But there was just nothing coming up.

00:37:51.556 --> 00:37:59.896
And then this one night I just had this mad, mad dream.

00:37:59.896 --> 00:38:08.396
I dreamt like the devil was chasing me in my sleep and I could not get away from him.

00:38:08.396 --> 00:38:12.835
Everywhere I went he'd find me For the first time.

00:38:12.835 --> 00:38:15.757
There's obviously a lot more that happened to that war.

00:38:15.757 --> 00:38:19.918
I can't remember, but the first time in my life from a dream I'd woke up and I was ringing wet through.

00:38:19.918 --> 00:38:23.516
I just bolted upright, sat straight up in bed.

00:38:23.516 --> 00:38:29.139
I'm sure my eyes was like as wide as saucers because I was wet through with sweat.

00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:32.315
So whatever's gone on, I don't know, but I just remember that bit about it.

00:38:34.471 --> 00:38:54.579
And I remember having this thought in my head telling me that I was on the road to destruction and that's all I can remember thinking You're on the road to destruction, you're on the road to destruction, and around about this same time I was just scrolling through YouTube on the videos on the shorts and everything.

00:38:54.579 --> 00:39:04.538
As you're doing this, and this ad come up and it said God wants to know you, even if you're mad with him, and it just sort of grabbed my attention.

00:39:04.538 --> 00:39:26.820
I remember when I was a kid and that I went to Sunday school and stuff like that, but I sort of like drifted away from all that, like when I was really young, and so I took, I looked at the details and everything I filled this form in and then someone called me and said can we come down and have a chat with you?

00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:29.938
And I said yeah, yeah, why not?

00:39:31.630 --> 00:39:40.760
So, anyway, I'd arranged to meet him this one night and it turns out that I'd had this later hospital appointment what I had to go to was outpatients and that, so I had to cancel it.

00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:50.219
And we arranged a couple of times but for whatever reason, it just kept getting cancelled because either I couldn't make it or he couldn't make it.

00:39:50.219 --> 00:40:08.239
So it would come up and it turns out that these were Churchill, latter-day Saints Mormons, which was like a lucky escape, so in hindsight, and I'll get to it in a minute but this was God putting a block on.

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It went the way I interpreted and you'll see why when I get to it in a minute.

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So anyway, I was having no luck getting housed and then I went on this um right move site and, just out of the blue, this, this flat, popped up where I am now, where I'm living now.

00:40:24.335 --> 00:40:26.518
And it was on a first come, first served basis.

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So I applied for it and I got it.

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I got it.

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I got it.

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I was blown away because I thought you got absolutely no chance because it was just going so quickly, especially like an housing association as well that advertised on there.

00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.775
So I got that.

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And then I was proper skinned as well because I'd come away with nothing left there, with nothing and whatever bit of money I had I was living off because all me income support and job seekers, whatever it was universal credit.

00:40:59.115 --> 00:41:01.617
It took a while to get processed and everything.

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So I didn't have a pot to piss in really Everything I'd left down there, because I didn't want to pot to piss in really Everything I'd left down there because I didn't want to bring it back up here before I just start again, sort of thing.

00:41:14.278 --> 00:41:19.922
And so, yeah, I went to view this place and I got it.

00:41:19.989 --> 00:41:34.440
And then I started going to the food bank a couple of times and it was this place that I didn't know at at the time but it was saved as a church as well and this woman called joe was part one of the leaders.

00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:38.211
I met her a few times from going to this food bank.

00:41:38.211 --> 00:41:40.802
She went there and then she she said about the church and that.

00:41:40.802 --> 00:41:43.431
So I says, oh yeah, I've been looking.

00:41:43.431 --> 00:41:47.021
Actually I think you know it's just sort of like popped up in my head.

00:41:47.021 --> 00:41:52.099
I told her about what I've just told you about this dream and I felt like I was being pulled there.

00:41:52.099 --> 00:41:57.481
But there was more to that story which I'll come to in a minute.

00:41:57.481 --> 00:42:05.597
So I went back to this church and attended one of the services, and that on a Sunday and I've been going ever since.

00:42:05.597 --> 00:42:07.677
And then Jo said to me later.

00:42:07.677 --> 00:42:26.882
She said that they had prophetic word from God that somebody called Steve was going to come to the area she's the way you spell my name as well Stephen with a ph and everything was going to come to the this, this area and open a new community to the church prophetic word.

00:42:27.570 --> 00:42:29.056
But she didn't tell me this straight away.

00:42:29.056 --> 00:42:35.777
I found out later and I started getting involved, doing stuff with them activities and that what I was putting on.

00:42:35.777 --> 00:42:43.757
And there was this training course at St Aidan's Church put on for drug and alcohol awareness training.

00:42:43.757 --> 00:42:52.780
So I attended that with a few other people and the guy who was putting it on, look from Jubilee Church.

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:59.197
I went off on my dinner that day and I come back and he said where have you been?

00:42:59.197 --> 00:42:59.860
Where have you been?

00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:01.255
I've been looking for your knowledge.

00:43:01.255 --> 00:43:03.454
He said I need to talk to you.

00:43:03.454 --> 00:43:07.389
So he said when you were sat down there this morning.

00:43:07.389 --> 00:43:11.217
He said I saw these keys above your head and I didn't know what it meant.

00:43:12.775 --> 00:43:29.936
I said, oh yeah and he said but while we've been doing this group, this morning we've had a prayer group in the back praying for the people on the course, group of people from the church praying for people doing the recovery training the course, a group of people from the church praying for people doing the recovery training, the drug and alcohol training, sorry.

00:43:29.936 --> 00:43:36.077
And they've come back with this message for me, saying with keys comes authority.

00:43:36.077 --> 00:43:43.398
And I don't know what these keys are, but he said, until I acknowledge them, they won't go away.

00:43:43.398 --> 00:43:44.996
It's just there above your head.

00:43:44.996 --> 00:43:48.458
So I couldn't interpret it.

00:43:48.458 --> 00:43:48.971
He says.

00:43:48.971 --> 00:44:05.936
And then I thought what you said to me about opening a new community and they've like put together and, as it turns out, now I'm leading a recovery course starting this month, next week, launch night's, the 28th.

00:44:05.936 --> 00:44:20.610
And what you said about 12 steps it is based on the 12 steps, principles like freedom through Jesus to getting free of drugs and alcohol or any addiction, anything, yeah.

00:44:20.650 --> 00:44:41.958
So they put one on last year at Jubilee, which I attended and see what it was all about, and along with a team we've put together from St Aidan's and River City that's going to be starting next week, next Tuesday's launch night, so what's your official role, then, within the church now?

00:44:41.958 --> 00:44:47.762
So at the minute they're looking for me to be a team leader part of the leadership team.

00:44:47.943 --> 00:44:54.161
Yeah, but at the minute I'm focused on doing this recovery course.

00:44:54.161 --> 00:45:05.684
I'll leave the Bible group with Joe on a Wednesday morning at our church, River City Church, which is where the well shopping centre is, on top of Oldness Road near Asda.

00:45:05.684 --> 00:45:14.590
That's where we're based there and they put a lot of stuff on during the week, full banks and warm space on a Thursday.

00:45:15.393 --> 00:45:18.659
Had you ever been religious up until the point of this dream that you had did?

00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:19.690
You have any religious beliefs?

00:45:19.690 --> 00:45:24.793
Was it like you've been open minded to it, or was it really a big turning point for you so?

00:45:25.014 --> 00:45:43.621
like I say, when I was a kid I went to Sunday school and I was really young, I was Christian Church of England, excuse me when I was a baby, but I didn't sort of actively follow it up in any sort of way.

00:45:43.791 --> 00:45:45.722
It was just sort of like on your birth certificate Church of England sort of way.

00:45:45.722 --> 00:45:46.969
It was just sort of like on your bare certificate church.

00:45:46.969 --> 00:46:06.650
I've always believed in God but I've never chosen to live a life that's sort of like abiding to the way of Christian living, more of a hellraiser sort of thing.

00:46:07.233 --> 00:46:08.237
Yeah, quite the opposite.

00:46:08.237 --> 00:46:12.224
And now I'm guessing you're fully invested into this lifestyle.

00:46:12.244 --> 00:46:22.512
Oh, yeah, absolutely so for the first time in a long time well, first time ever since I've started coming to this church and everything that's happened has happened.

00:46:22.512 --> 00:46:28.179
I don't have that feeling anymore that what's the purpose of my life.

00:46:28.179 --> 00:46:33.422
I know that this is the path that God's chosen for me.

00:46:33.422 --> 00:46:38.599
It's been confirmed in so many ways.

00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.858
When I look back and I can put, it's like putting the pieces of a jigsaw together.

00:46:43.858 --> 00:46:47.778
People know I was coming to this area before I even had moved.

00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.139
Yeah, it's interesting to go for that amount of time as well.

00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:56.159
Not to because you could argue.

00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.097
Well, if it was meant to be, shouldn't it have happened straight away?

00:46:59.097 --> 00:47:03.137
Like, after you was unsuccessful in the Marines, should you have gone into this straight away?

00:47:03.137 --> 00:47:10.509
But it's almost like everything that you've experienced in between needed to happen for you to be able to do what you're doing now Would you agree with that?

00:47:10.750 --> 00:47:29.385
Yeah, so basically my life and all the negativity, the struggles you know prison, drugs this is my testimony to people that it's never too late.

00:47:29.385 --> 00:47:32.318
You know God can change your life.

00:47:32.318 --> 00:47:36.681
God can show you the purpose he has chosen for you.

00:47:36.681 --> 00:47:40.394
I believe everybody's got a purpose, you've just got to find it.

00:47:40.394 --> 00:47:47.344
You know we're all here for a reason, because you perform baptisms now as well yourself, don't you Once?

00:47:47.344 --> 00:47:48.067
Once Once.

00:47:48.291 --> 00:47:49.896
Well, tell me, how did that come to be then?

00:47:50.590 --> 00:48:04.778
So, being part of the leadership team, and I was asked by a couple of people in the church if me and my partner would baptise them, which obviously I was delighted to do.

00:48:06.572 --> 00:48:07.195
How does it work?

00:48:07.195 --> 00:48:14.802
I'm very naive to I always felt like when baptism had to happen in a set place.

00:48:14.802 --> 00:48:19.349
There's a story of Jesus baptising someone in the river or Jesus being baptised in the river.

00:48:19.349 --> 00:48:20.943
Jesus was baptised by a jaunt.

00:48:20.943 --> 00:48:21.730
That's it in the river.

00:48:22.271 --> 00:48:28.699
So I always thought things like this had to happen in a set place, set like a special type of water.

00:48:28.699 --> 00:48:30.498
Talk me through that process a little bit.

00:48:30.730 --> 00:48:37.532
So, basically, if you're a committed Christian, you know living a Christian life.

00:48:37.532 --> 00:48:41.822
It says in the Bible that anybody can baptise.

00:48:41.822 --> 00:48:42.844
You know somebody.

00:48:42.844 --> 00:49:06.577
You don't have to be a church minister or you know anyone with a set title or a given authority, just just a, just a christian who believes in the lord and jesus died on the cross, you know for our sins and, yeah, that's, that's the only, the only condition really, and what does baptism do then for an individual who is baptized?

00:49:06.617 --> 00:49:09.222
The idea is what you're doing is.

00:49:09.222 --> 00:49:10.224
It's symbolic.

00:49:10.224 --> 00:49:19.019
You're washing your sins away in your own life and being reborn again as a Christian, so it's almost like the chance to start again.

00:49:20.371 --> 00:49:21.215
Here's a theory, then.

00:49:21.215 --> 00:49:35.764
What if I'd lived a life where I had been quite, I suppose, a sinful life and then was diagnosed with something terminal and decided to get baptised?

00:49:35.764 --> 00:49:38.539
Isn't it almost like a bit of a gout-of-jail-free card?

00:49:38.539 --> 00:49:42.300
Almost how would that work in that way if someone was to do that?

00:49:43.349 --> 00:49:48.842
So, basically, God's gift of salvation is open to anybody.

00:49:48.842 --> 00:50:14.697
If you've lived a life of sin all your life and you generally believe in your heart that jesus always, always says he was and they died for our sins and he was crucified and he risen on the third day, and you commit yourself that you want to, you know, be a part of him and that he lives in you, it's never too late, no matter what you've done, there's nothing too great, but you have to genuinely believe.

00:50:14.697 --> 00:50:17.739
You have to genuinely come from your heart.

00:50:18.369 --> 00:50:19.789
Yeah, because that's the thing, isn't it?

00:50:19.789 --> 00:50:26.817
How many people maybe do it as a way of almost just trying to play it safe, but not truly believing in it?

00:50:27.579 --> 00:50:30.615
No, God's all-seeing and all-knowing.

00:50:30.615 --> 00:50:31.501
Yeah, well, that's it isn't it.

00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:33.056
God is all-seeing and all-knowing.

00:50:33.056 --> 00:50:35.157
Thank you very much for joining me.

00:50:35.157 --> 00:50:42.900
I like to finish all my podcasts with a series of a few questions really just completely unrelated to what we've spoken about so far.

00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:46.050
And my first one is what's your favourite word, my favourite spoken about so far?

00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:46.199
And my first one is uh, what's your?

00:50:46.103 --> 00:50:52.858
favorite word, my favorite word, word I've never really thought about that.

00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.222
That's why you froze people off.

00:50:54.222 --> 00:50:59.282
I suppose now it's love, thanks, least favorite word.

00:50:59.282 --> 00:51:06.298
I can't, yeah, can't, can't, can't, can't, do it, cannot do it.

00:51:06.298 --> 00:51:07.760
What sound or noise do you love?

00:51:09.704 --> 00:51:10.545
I love silence.

00:51:10.545 --> 00:51:12.849
Silence is my favourite noise.

00:51:13.072 --> 00:51:14.585
Silence is my favourite sound.

00:51:14.867 --> 00:51:16.896
Silence Peace.

00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:21.445
What sound or noise do you hate?

00:51:22.608 --> 00:51:23.974
Probably Keir Starmer's voice.

00:51:26.297 --> 00:51:27.621
Tell me something that excites you.

00:51:27.621 --> 00:51:32.918
Wondering what God's got for me the next day.

00:51:32.918 --> 00:51:34.913
Tell me something that doesn't excite you.

00:51:34.913 --> 00:51:40.563
Hmm.

00:51:46.550 --> 00:52:01.762
I don't know now, because I've got a different outlook on life so something that doesn't excite me the thought that people will not be saved and some of us will end up going to hell.

00:52:01.762 --> 00:52:04.376
I suppose that's the only thing I can think of.

00:52:06.351 --> 00:52:07.601
What profession would you like to do?

00:52:07.601 --> 00:52:10.396
Any job in the world, something that you're not doing now?

00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:35.617
any job in the world, things I've never really thought of that's why you froze people off whatever God chooses me to do, whatever Jesus has got for me to do, what would be your least favourite job?

00:52:36.269 --> 00:52:39.336
Something that you'd think, God, if I had to do that, I'd just absolutely hate it.

00:52:39.336 --> 00:52:43.146
Labour canvasser.

00:52:43.186 --> 00:52:44.695
Canvassing for the Labour Party.

00:52:45.630 --> 00:52:47.998
I love how politically you are on this.

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And then, lastly, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?

00:52:52.831 --> 00:52:55.378
It wasn't looking good, but it turned out all right in the end.

00:52:55.378 --> 00:52:55.820
Nice.

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